The Metacognitive Way Through Overthinking with Pia Callesen

In this episode of Minds & Mics, I talk with psychologist and author Pia Callesen about overthinking and the metacognitive approach to emotional struggles like anxiety and depression.

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Show Notes

Here are some of the highlights from our conversation:

  • What is overthinking, exactly?
  • Types of overthinking
  • The 2 reasons why we overthink
  • The difference between anxious and depressive overthinking
  • Overthinking as a universal mechanism for emotional suffering
  • Scheduled overthinking
  • Metacognitive Therapy vs traditional Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT)
  • Metacognitive Therapy vs Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT)
  • The busy train station metaphor
  • The window pane experiment
  • The problem with coping skills
  • How will psychotherapy be different in 50 years?

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I’m just now going through old podcasts, and this one with Pia was great. She’s really sold me on the usefulness of metacognitive therapy, particularly against other “trendy” types of therapy. I hope you can write more about it!

Is it explained in the podcast how to rid your self of an event you feel guilty about that constantly plays over daily in your mind. As you know it creates an ongoing sadness! I try my tools and reasoning but it still rears it’s ugly head. Thank you so much

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